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	<title>Comments on: Like that Education: An Open Letter to Subnixus</title>
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		<title>By: Like that Idea &#187; Stupid It Up</title>
		<link>http://likethatidea.com/2006/like-that-idea/02/like-that-education-an-open-letter-to-subnixus/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Like that Idea &#187; Stupid It Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After a serious discussion over the weekend about the importance of education it may be time to light things the rest of the week. If you haven&#8217;t already check out StupidVideos.com. My favorite so far is &#8220;Keyboard Rock and Roll&#8220;. If watching videos isn&#8217;t your thing&#8230;maybe an Amazon purchase will cheer you up. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After a serious discussion over the weekend about the importance of education it may be time to light things the rest of the week. If you haven&#8217;t already check out StupidVideos.com. My favorite so far is &#8220;Keyboard Rock and Roll&#8220;. If watching videos isn&#8217;t your thing&#8230;maybe an Amazon purchase will cheer you up. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://likethatidea.com/2006/like-that-idea/02/like-that-education-an-open-letter-to-subnixus/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far, I&#039;ve enjoyed reading everybody&#039;s comments.  Consider this a reply to all that have posted so far.  When I get a chance, I&#039;ll reply to Eric&#039;s (Subnixus) response on his site.  I DO NOT plan to rebuttle his rebuttle of my rebuttle with another new post here (whew my head is spinning).

While I predate the computer with a mouse, I too like many of those that have commented started programming on computers early.  I actually taught myself BASIC at age 13, before I even had access to a computer in High School (home computers were scarce for middle class family back then).  I don&#039;t consider anyone here bragging about their talents, we&#039;re just letting everyone know our background.

Regarding Monkey&#039;s remark, &quot;I just want to point out that things change and in todays world college degrees are not the only path to success.&quot;  I am of the opinion that the world hasn&#039;t really changed, you always had the opportunity to succeed without a college degree.  I think though college does increase your chances to succeed and adapting to changes in the future.  For example, I would never have taken Accounting (now those are some really messed up people), but to my surprise I now handle an IT budget.  If I only had relied on my &quot;natural&quot; talents and interests, I wouldn&#039;t have qualified for the work I&#039;m doing now.  College gave me opportunities that I wouldn&#039;t have been given if I only relied on my own self-education.

Those of you that have dropped out of college, I wish you well.  I can see your talents and don&#039;t doubt your current successes.  I have to admit though, I feel like I&#039;m wishing the current football jocks well and wondering what will happen to them when the football career is over.  In the end though I suppose it really all depends on how we measure success (it&#039;s definately more than about money and a career) which is another topic for another day.

By the way...Monkey I like the Drupal site (my current obsession).  Brian...those are some nice sports sites (yours I assume).  Well gotta run and figure out what I&#039;m taking to the Super Bowl party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading everybody&#8217;s comments.  Consider this a reply to all that have posted so far.  When I get a chance, I&#8217;ll reply to Eric&#8217;s (Subnixus) response on his site.  I DO NOT plan to rebuttle his rebuttle of my rebuttle with another new post here (whew my head is spinning).</p>
<p>While I predate the computer with a mouse, I too like many of those that have commented started programming on computers early.  I actually taught myself BASIC at age 13, before I even had access to a computer in High School (home computers were scarce for middle class family back then).  I don&#8217;t consider anyone here bragging about their talents, we&#8217;re just letting everyone know our background.</p>
<p>Regarding Monkey&#8217;s remark, &#8220;I just want to point out that things change and in todays world college degrees are not the only path to success.&#8221;  I am of the opinion that the world hasn&#8217;t really changed, you always had the opportunity to succeed without a college degree.  I think though college does increase your chances to succeed and adapting to changes in the future.  For example, I would never have taken Accounting (now those are some really messed up people), but to my surprise I now handle an IT budget.  If I only had relied on my &#8220;natural&#8221; talents and interests, I wouldn&#8217;t have qualified for the work I&#8217;m doing now.  College gave me opportunities that I wouldn&#8217;t have been given if I only relied on my own self-education.</p>
<p>Those of you that have dropped out of college, I wish you well.  I can see your talents and don&#8217;t doubt your current successes.  I have to admit though, I feel like I&#8217;m wishing the current football jocks well and wondering what will happen to them when the football career is over.  In the end though I suppose it really all depends on how we measure success (it&#8217;s definately more than about money and a career) which is another topic for another day.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230;Monkey I like the Drupal site (my current obsession).  Brian&#8230;those are some nice sports sites (yours I assume).  Well gotta run and figure out what I&#8217;m taking to the Super Bowl party.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with the Subnixus stance, but I also realize that&#039;s not a stance that works for everyone. 

I was out of college within 2 quarters - I knew I would never finish and also that I would end up working for myself no matter how many degrees I had. 

It does take a certain mindset to be able to take that path, however, and that&#039;s what I think he&#039;s not realizing over there. Not everyone can do it. Not everyone can just chuck the system and forge ahead.

I&#039;m not saying I&#039;m smarter or more capable than anyone else (just more ADD if anything). I have many friends with degrees; some who make both more and some who make less than I do. 

I never wanted or needed a degree more because I can&#039;t sit in a class for more than 15 minutes without going stir-crazy and because waiting 4 years to complete the degree isn&#039;t enough instant gratification for my MTV-raised mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with the Subnixus stance, but I also realize that&#8217;s not a stance that works for everyone. </p>
<p>I was out of college within 2 quarters &#8211; I knew I would never finish and also that I would end up working for myself no matter how many degrees I had. </p>
<p>It does take a certain mindset to be able to take that path, however, and that&#8217;s what I think he&#8217;s not realizing over there. Not everyone can do it. Not everyone can just chuck the system and forge ahead.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m smarter or more capable than anyone else (just more ADD if anything). I have many friends with degrees; some who make both more and some who make less than I do. </p>
<p>I never wanted or needed a degree more because I can&#8217;t sit in a class for more than 15 minutes without going stir-crazy and because waiting 4 years to complete the degree isn&#8217;t enough instant gratification for my MTV-raised mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey</title>
		<link>http://likethatidea.com/2006/like-that-idea/02/like-that-education-an-open-letter-to-subnixus/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t completely disagree with what you are saying here, however, I do want to point out my situation as an example.

I dropped out of college after 6 years of part-time classes. I only completed about 65 credit hours, or half of the degree. A lot of that was general education so I only have about 25% of my Computer Science credits completed. I might go back and finish a CS degree one day but somehow I doubt it. I&#039;m 24 years old, I started school at 16 and stopped at 22. I am definitely not typical. In my case, dropping out doesn&#039;t feel like quitting. I started learning computer programming at age 12 and being home schooled I could dedicate a great deal of time to my education. By age 20 I was a professional programmer with more experience than most 30 year old comptuer science/information systems graduates. I know that I am missing out on some things by not finishing my degree, however, I don&#039;t need the piece of paper to validate my abilities. The degree might get me a better paying job working for a corporation. That doesn&#039;t matter to me, I don&#039;t want that. I work for myself, mostly on my own terms. I contract for a wonderful startup company and I also do freelance design/development/programming work. I have an office, a recording studio and sometimes I even have free time to do whatever.

This might sound like bragging but that&#039;s not my intention. I just want to point out that things change and in todays world college degrees are not the only path to success.

And by the way, subnixus has posted a new article which responds to this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t completely disagree with what you are saying here, however, I do want to point out my situation as an example.</p>
<p>I dropped out of college after 6 years of part-time classes. I only completed about 65 credit hours, or half of the degree. A lot of that was general education so I only have about 25% of my Computer Science credits completed. I might go back and finish a CS degree one day but somehow I doubt it. I&#8217;m 24 years old, I started school at 16 and stopped at 22. I am definitely not typical. In my case, dropping out doesn&#8217;t feel like quitting. I started learning computer programming at age 12 and being home schooled I could dedicate a great deal of time to my education. By age 20 I was a professional programmer with more experience than most 30 year old comptuer science/information systems graduates. I know that I am missing out on some things by not finishing my degree, however, I don&#8217;t need the piece of paper to validate my abilities. The degree might get me a better paying job working for a corporation. That doesn&#8217;t matter to me, I don&#8217;t want that. I work for myself, mostly on my own terms. I contract for a wonderful startup company and I also do freelance design/development/programming work. I have an office, a recording studio and sometimes I even have free time to do whatever.</p>
<p>This might sound like bragging but that&#8217;s not my intention. I just want to point out that things change and in todays world college degrees are not the only path to success.</p>
<p>And by the way, subnixus has posted a new article which responds to this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Subnixus: The last days of a nine to five. &#187; Education is great - College is not.</title>
		<link>http://likethatidea.com/2006/like-that-idea/02/like-that-education-an-open-letter-to-subnixus/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Subnixus: The last days of a nine to five. &#187; Education is great - College is not.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] p.s. - Bryan, this can also be considered my reply to your open letter. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] p.s. &#8211; Bryan, this can also be considered my reply to your open letter. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Price</title>
		<link>http://likethatidea.com/2006/like-that-idea/02/like-that-education-an-open-letter-to-subnixus/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree, subnixus used to be a fairly useful blog.  But now it seems like its just about alienating readers and spouting uninformed drivel.  I too wrote an article denouncing subnixus&#039; &quot;Why College Is A Scam&quot; article.  College is very necessary for most young people.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cuckoobird.net/2006/02/02/why-everyone-should-go-to-college/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;You can read my post Why Everyone Should Go To College here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree, subnixus used to be a fairly useful blog.  But now it seems like its just about alienating readers and spouting uninformed drivel.  I too wrote an article denouncing subnixus&#8217; &#8220;Why College Is A Scam&#8221; article.  College is very necessary for most young people.  <a href="http://www.cuckoobird.net/2006/02/02/why-everyone-should-go-to-college/" rel="nofollow">You can read my post Why Everyone Should Go To College here.</a></p>
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